Tuesday, February 19, 2013

Eldar, thoughts on an elliptical...

So, as part of my "get my ass back into shape" routine I was spending some time on the elliptical in the basement...  I've always been one who can think a LOT better on the move...  Helped me a LOT when I was off playing Army :-)...

Anyway, I got to thinking...  What would make the Eldar Codex instantly competitive and probably overpowered?  How about doing the same thing they did with the Necrons?  Just declare their Fast Skimmers to be Fliers.  Then, wait a few hours and listen for the distinctive sound of heads exploding all over the Internet :-)...  Yeah, wouldn't work I'm guessing, but would sure be amusing watching the worst codex leap to the top of the heap.

On the other hand let's see what exactly it would do:

Give the Army up to 6 flying transports...  Just like the Necrons.
Give the Army up to 3 Heavy Support flying tanks...  Hmmm, sounds familiar...
AV 12 Fliers?  Check, see them all over the place these days...


So, really what would they do that the IG and Necrons do not already do?  So, other than keeping the power spiral moving up, not a lot different than what already is hitting the table...  Would be a cheap (for GW) and provide a bit of variety to the game...  So, yeah, probably too bored with 40K at the moment...  It just has the feel of a "Beta" product to me, having play tested a number of other systems and done that "programming" thing in the old days...  'course, just my opinion as als=ways, I could be wrong...

Sunday, February 17, 2013

Is it Second Edition again?

Ok, a bit of a rant :-)

A group of us were talking about Second Edition 40K during/before the Tournament today...  And I have to wonder if we are not heading there or already there.  Now, back in 2nd Edition just before it died, you had things like Ravenwing Speeders that literally could not be hit by a lot of armies, needed a 7+ to hit with modifiers, tough to do on a d6...  And then the Eldar could do the bad "nose touching" thing putting their Jet Bikes in BtB with their chosen target for a drive by HtH attack and shooting attack...  And this seems to be exactly where we are with the Chaos Heldrake...  It is a fly by attack that cannot miss, just hits for d3+1 Str 7 Ap 3 hits then flamer template at Str 6, AP 3 again.  So, no chance to fail and pretty much will be killing off bunches of 3+ or worse saves...  Right now, there are simply not enough defenses against fliers like this.  In and of itself it will not be the thing that breaks the game, but it is moving closer.  We have a Flier supplement that came out Saturday apparently, but not seeing it as it is "Direct Only" and only available through GW...  Not something I could have pre-ordered at the local store.  Maybe they will change some of the rules, point costs and or armor values/stats, but I doubt it given the history of the Company...

Second point is Allies...  On the surface, it's "neat", but not a big deal.  In practice though, it becomes an "All Stars Team" and a way to add extra slots...  So, 3 HQ, 4 Heavy/Elite/FA, etc...  And the interaction of a lot of the armies is odd at best, but being able to make giant blobs fearless, add fliers/Artillery/whatever...  I hate to say it, but playing a "mono" army does put one at a disadvantage given that there are no real costs to field Allies...  Especially if they are "close enough" Allies and can mix and match at will...  I hate to feel like a fool for playing a "by the book"army, but I am fairly sure that my Wolves are completely useless in the current environment.  Without going to FW stuff in the Mortis DN, etc., even the new DA codex is simply not all that capable of handling a top tier list.  I guess it is something to think about.  I'm not thrilled that I think that the IG allies are necessary to actually have a chance of winning, but...

Friday, February 15, 2013

1850 Tournament Sunday...

So, looking like I'll be making the trek over to Decatur for the League Tournament...  After finding out that my Mortis class DN is "40K Approved" and gained Skyfire and Interceptor if it stands still...  So 125 points for a pretty darn good AA vehicle that also doubles as a decent defense against things appearing from Reserves like say, Rambo...  4 Str 7 AP 4 shots can usually deal with him and put a decent hurting on Storm-troopers dropping in...  Not so great against Marine class armor, but can't have it all I guess :-)...

So, one of the bigger decisions I need to make is Belial or Azrael for the leader...  With Belial I play my hyper aggressive Deathwing Assault and drop in usually Turn 1 and KNOW I will hit exactly where I want, split fire if I can, but put a Troop that is darn resilient and impossible to break deep inside the enemy DZ.  Not a lot of disadvantages there, mostly just little things like a mostly useless Warlord Trait, NOT giving the high LD to the army, and only making Deathwing Troops...  Azrael gets to choose his Warlord trait, makes pretty much my whole army Scoring, LD 10, and...  Well, down side I am relying on Teleport homers to drop the Deathwing in and on target...  OTOH, I have 5-6 Scoring units if I go with 3 min squads of Deathwing...  So, kind of leaning toward Azrael for the leadership...

Keeping the Banner, Techmarine and Land Raider Crusader...  That combo is insane, and accounts for the "Horde Removal" portion of the list....  And it makes the flanking (flanking/escorting the LRC, NOT Flanking as in the entry mechanism) Ravenwing Bikes REALLY powerful shooting platforms as well.

So:
Azrael
Command Squad w/Banner of Devastation, Company Champion
Deathwing Squad (10, 4 TH/SS, CML, Flamer)
Deathwing Squad (5, 2 TH/SS, Flamer or Plasma)
Tactical Squad (5, ML w/ flak)
Mortis DN (2 x TLAC)
Ravenwing Squadron (3, Melta, Attack Bike w/MM)
Techmarine (Servo Arms, Power Field)
Land Raider Crusader (MM)


So, the army is my typical "Not Subtle" force...  Big, Heavy Tank, flanked by the bikes and the Terminators Deep Striking in around the assault element...  Just drive right at one of the enemy flanks or onto an objective and take it.  Hold until time runs out or the Enemy runs out of bodies to throw at us...  Doubt I'll win the Tournament again, but this force I think will be a contender...

Wednesday, February 13, 2013

Forgeworld saving the game?

Ok, feeling a bit like an idiot...  I've been playing the Consecrators, a Dark Angels force for a while now, and it was just pointed out to me that Forgeworld updated their stuff for 6th Edition and added a few rules to the "Mortis" class DN.  So, it is limited to DA and successors, but it is MUCH cheaper and it gains the same "Mortis" rule as the Contemptor class DN, if it stands still in the movement phase it gains Interceptor and Skyfire.  So, now only 125 points for the 2 x TL Auto Cannon DN, AND it can do Interceptor/Skyfire/AAA duty?  So...  Where's the down side again?  I was trying to scrimp and save enough points wise to keep using the Hyperion missile emplacements, but this is WAY better...  And as it happens I have "a few" DN hulls around, some of them even magnetized and painted up in my DA colors...  Might even be worth it for me to run the TL Lascannon one :-)  Just to be able to regularly throw 2 LC shots into fliers hitting the table...

Have to say, I was dreading using my Tactical Marines in any real way, but this information does make my a LOT more comfortable bringing the lads out to play, even with limited Flak missile use.  Though, as my ancient "Beakies" are almost all armed with the original weapons of Missile Launcher and Flamer...  I am a BIT limited there for the moment until I break out more of the lads from their deep storage, but still, Azrael leading out a few Tac Squads, DW Squads and RW Squadrons for an all scoring army seems like it will work with DA DN's able to provide AAA support easily enough...  Hmmmm...  I may have a "slight change" for my regular 1850 list...  And with the datafiles for the old 2nd ed Armybuilder program being updated (http://ab240k.freeforums.org/, it is MUCH easier :-)...

Sad to me that it looks so much like an afterthought from Forgeworld that will make the DA codex actually quite playable against the overload of flier silliness that seems to be hitting the tables...  Further convinces me that GW does not seem to play the same game we do, or at least not in anything resembling the same manner we play at least...  So much like the old "Planet Storm" game days where our local group would use the "K2 Shaw" (think an Artillery version of the Cyclone Missile armed Terminator), and make comments like "What to do once the Artillery ammunition is depleted?"  The groups playing in LA and Canada were speachless as they bitterly complained how useless the unit was, and how they'd never get more than a single shot off...  Turns out we played on a 4'x8' or 5'x10' table, they usually played on a 4'x4' table...  And by turn 2, you were at pistol/SMG range making board ranging Artillery and sniper rifles "less useful"...  Have to wonder if there is something like that going on, or if it just that they really do not play at all and so don't see the same issues and problems that we as players do...

Sunday, February 10, 2013

Next week and beyond...

So, next week we play that Crusade of Fire game with multiple steps...  750 points and I have to keep a legal army...  So, either I keep playing my Deathwing and field an 11 man army or...  Well I guess I could field a Librarian, 2 Tactical Squads and "other"...  But not sure I can move fast enough, nor am I confident I could survive long enough to even get to the center of the table.  If we go by the rules in the book, I field Belial and simply teleport to the entrance and then enter the bunker on turn one...  Needing the second "Troop", I will likely only be able to field 2 min size Deathwing squads, some weapon upgrades and...  Maybe a Terminator Librarian?  Or just a really tooled out couple of squads...  Then the lads will have to survive the tunnel fight.  Only thing I really dread is that the scenario was clearly NOT written with a lot of armies in mind...  Thinking of the ones that can create more "Troops" or that can simply keep bringing the ones they have back from the dead ("Send in the next wave" for the IG).  I don't think it will be as much a problem with the only objective hopefully NOT being anywhere really near the entrances...  It was REALLY a disappointing end to the last multi player game with 2 of the 3 teams having the ability to simply appear right on top of the damn objectives on the last turn...   Really felt like we played out the whole game for nothing...  Hoping this one is different...

Kind of brings me to where I am with the game itself.  Maybe we have been playing the Forgeworld stuff for long enough that we have a bit more available to us WRT Fliers and defense against them...  The Hyperion missile turrets are cheap and REALLY powerful...  Not as powerful I think as the Fliers themselves are, or at least the Fliers we see on the table...  Vendettas, Heldrakes,Necrons the occasional Storm Raven and...  Yeah, that's pretty much it.  The ones that have come out in the 6th Ed other than the Heldrake are pretty expensive and weak overall...  So, probably what was intended and well balanced.  Problem is that the ones that are coming up from the 5th edition are simply too powerful and cheap in comparison.   Maybe they'll update this all in the upcoming "Flier Compendium" coming up next week, but being the cynic I am, I suspect it will simply be reprinted rules and nothing at all new..  No points adjustments, as GW is loathe to make changes on the fly, even to save their own cash cow game...  To a point I can see that as some games I have played in the past had the feel of perpetual "beta" as the developers kept making changes on the fly, FAQs became the rulebook, and that probably killed the system...  But I think that not making changes and NOT admitting that there might be a problem will kill this game.

I have to wonder if the developers and play testers are playing the same game we are really...  I know in typical English fashion, GW holds "competitive play"  in a great deal of disdain...  (yes, I'm mostly Scottish... Some English, Irish, etc., but mostly Highlander :-) )...  A lot of things do not really make sense...  Assault Cannons being the one that sticks out to me at the moment assembling Deathwing...  At one time, it WAS the single most powerful weapon in the game.  3 follow fire dice, Str 8, -5 save modifier and d12 wounds per hit?  Not as bad as the original rules where it was just a "keep rolling until you roll a 1"...  It would keep firing until you ran out of targets or failed to hit or wound...  2nd edition was insane (the first rules I have up there) where you could put 2 of them on a Dreadnought...  Now, they are still priced at a huge premium, one of the most expensive weapons, but Str 6, AP 4 unless it Rends...  4 shots...  "Eh" is the best thing I think I can say about it.  Not strong enough to do much against anything but the lightest Vehicles, not enough to deny 3+ Armor saves in general...  Not AAA...  So, really looking at it as someone who is good at math and actually plays the game this is just something that makes no sense whatever.  Seem that they are costing it in that it has the potential to do 4 wounds at AP 2 to "whatever"...  But that's a LOT of 6's to roll.  Just not happening.

And of course the "meta" or design philosophy we are more or less forced into with this edition.  Scoring units only really, and the Armies with strong Scoring options have a much easier time these days.  IG, GK and Necrons are all really easy to field these days...  The armies with the ability to make things Scoring like DA or Marines/Chaos are also pretty good, if more limited with the choices being made for the player if they choose the options...  I guess these days when I am building an army, if it is NOT scoring, I have to have a REALLY good reason to bring it at all before I seriously consider them...  Liking my BA with lots of choices as "Troops", but with all of the "can never score" ones really they are a bit worse off than most other Armies...  But Jump Infantry is pretty good as a Scoring option, at least locally...  Eh, too tired right now to go further, but something to expand on I think...

Tuesday, February 5, 2013

1850 Deathwing vs Chaos (Khorne)

Well, the League Organizer wound up working late so we just played a "skirmish" League match...  So, 1850 but not for flags on the campaign map...  I wound up playing Joe L's Chaos Marines...  Mission was Kill Points.   From memory he fielded:

Chaos Lord (jump pack, Daemon Weapon of some sort, MoK)
Jump troops, ~10 with a few Melta Guns
3 Squads of Khorne Marines, Champion in each, Power Sword, Plasma, Melta? 2 in Rhinos
Heldrake

Daemon Allies:
Blood Thirster
10 Blood Letters w/ icon

I brought:
Belial (SB/Sword)
Deathwing (10, CML, H Flamer, 4 TH/SS)
Deathwing (10, 2 CML, 4 TH/SS)
Tac Squad (ML w/ Flak)
LRC
Techmarine w/Power Field
Command Squad w/Banner of Devastation
Ravenwing Squadron w/Attack Bike (MM)
2 Hyperion ML turrets

I got first turn, deployed the LRC w/ Banner front and center, with the TM and Command Squad embarked.  The Ravenwing flanked the tank, and Scout moved to cover the front.  The Attack Bike moved to my Right flank to deal with the single Rhino full of Khorne hate...  Realized the Scout move is 12", so a bit more flexibility...   Basically, the Bolters (Hurricane and Bike) opened up on the Jump Troops at 24" range...  The Lord survived along with a few of his lads...  But most of them disappeared in a fine red mist.  The Attack bike zoomed up, got a penetrating hit on the Rhino and following that with a 1 for the Damage result...  Did that a lot :-)

His turn one was mostly just killing my Ravenwing...  Lord and remaining Jumpers offed my bikers, the Rhino dismounted the passengers who shot the Attack Bike off the board...  Not bad, but it left a lot of his Infantry out in the open for my next turn.  Speaking of which, Belial deployed with the CML/HF squad and they set themselves down perfectly to split fire.  The flamer caught pretty much the whole Berserker squad who dismounted to shoot up my bikes, Storm Bolters went there as well...  CML went into the Lord and single remaining Jumper.  LRC and Tac Squad shot up the Blood Thirster and my second Deathwing dropped to the middle of the field to throw a few missiles out there, but really just set up a second big, heavy Squad...  Basically, the Tac Squad shot their Salvo Bolters at the Thirster, it failed it's Grounding test.  Then the LRC and Deathwing unloaded on it...  It had one wound remaining at the end of that as the AAA did Jack AND Shit.  So, the "Roll lots of dice, looking for 6's" for the Flier...

Turn 3 was fairly brief as his Thirster died to overwatch fire trying to Assault Belial's Squad.  Belial and his Lord faced off and the Fleshbane combined with the Preferred Enemy for me was just too good...  Helped a LOT that his Lord only had Powered Armor, so the 4++ save was the best he had...  And of course, having had to weather a LOT of fire getting there so I think he only had one Wound at that point...  But 2 VP on that Challenge as Belial's Warlord Trait actually paid off.  His Drake finally showed up, I shot it twice with AAA stripping a Hull Point, and I think in 4 I hit it a few more times, but removed the weapon forcing it to Reserves...   Pretty

So, AA did it's job I guess, but it was a LOT more that I had primarily Terminator armor on the field.  The fly by attacks are not an issue, he didn't really have an answer for the Raider and the Flamer being AP 3 is not so scary with 2+ everywhere...  Have to say the Banner combo is absolutely amazing locally...  I may have to bring in a Librarian with an Auspex to remove a bit of cover for the Salvo to hit...

Next week is the 750 point mini game followed by the separate table for the Tunnel game...  Not so sure what will happen, but looking at another 11 model army, but Deep Striking in exactly where I want should mean I get there first...

Saturday, February 2, 2013

Painting projects, fliers, campaigns and contests :-)

On contests, I wound up winning the Wolf Scout and Samurai from Muninn's Brush ...  Probably not telling my wife :-)  She feels that the hobby area of the basement is really too crowded now...  But to be fair, my hobbies include ancient weapons, old firearms AND miniatures...  Right now restoring several old rifles (1890's Krag-Jorgenson rifle, US issue during the Spanish American war one of them), getting things ready for my "Klingon Wall" in the basement when I get around to finishing it...  Thanks for the Scout!

Finishing up my Consecrators (Dark Angels)...  Not a lot changed for me, NOT a complete repaint, so just the few new pieces to be painted and touched up...  Basically I need to piece together the few new pieces like a banner bearer/command squad.  As it happens, I have 40 or so ancient Powered Armor Marines that haven't seen the field for 3 editions in that army :-)...  Now, they're not too bad overall just have one major problem...

The Chaos Heldrake...  Purpose built to kill PA troopers, so being out in the open or even in cover means nothing at all...  Looking like I will be fielding some Rhinos for the AA missiles to get launched out of for a bit at least...  Need to break out some more of the hulls from deep storage and paint them up I guess...  Until then, more Terminator suits hit the field for me given the sheer number of these bloody things prowling locally at least...  It's clearly viewed by many as being under costed as I regularly see 2 of them across the table, usually with a third flier in a Vendetta.  While I like the Ally rules in general, this is where it gets a bit tiresome...  Seeing the exact same cookie cutter "ally groups" for a lot of folks.  It's a bit boring seeing the exact same under costed things all over the place.  Oh look, another IG ally with cheap Vets for the BS 4 and cheap Special Weapons fired out of the Chimera and/or a blob led by a Marine for ATSKNF/Stubborn/Fearless...  How original.  And a Vendetta or three AND Rambo?  Yeah, didn't see that coming :-)...  Not sure how I am feeling about the upcoming Flier book.  On one hand I am hoping they actually bring up the points for the 5th ed fliers that are clearly not costed on the same paradigm as the current ones.  I mean comparing the DA "dog-fighter" in the Nephilim to the IG Vendetta...  Yes, the DA does have a special rule that might in some circumstances actually bring down enemy fighters...  With it's ONE TL Las Cannon.  Or the IG can just shoot it down with it's THREE TL Las Cannons.  Oh, and the DA flier that is inferior in almost every respect costs 50+ points more...  So, not sure why people would field that if they can just do the safe alternative in fielding a small IG Kampfgruppe with the clearly superior Vendetta...  But like I said, it gets a bit boring seeing the same things over and over...

But back to the painting :-)  Yes, my Wolves are moving closer to the fore...  Praetorian IG are MUCH closer to complete.  Liking the Minwax for the quick and really pretty nice coating it puts on the minis.  So, I'll actually have a BUNCH of stuff fully painted ready to go.  Sadly, my Wolves are not one of them.  Being my first 40K army, I do think it is time for me to bring them up to a more modern and well painted standard...  Just not so sure they are really playable in the current environment.  :-)  Kind of bringing me full circle, I got back into the game mid 5th edition using the "unusable" 3rd ed Codex and did really well.  Think I will enjoy the challenge for a bit at least using the 5th ed Codex in the current environment...  A bit at least, at this point I am not so sure they will be able to survive the Heldrakes...  Guess we'll see what happens with the Flier expansion...